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Just got this little looper, and I love it. I'm using it for ethnic percussion mostly, with a little melody added every now and then.
Here's the question: If I start with say, a 2-measure loop of basic percussion, can I overdub 4 measures of melody, thus doubling the original loop? Does this make sense?
Here's the question: If I start with say, a 2-measure loop of basic percussion, can I overdub 4 measures of melody, thus doubling the original loop? Does this make sense?
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Re: Question on the rc-2
Thu, March 20, 2008 - 8:27 PMHey Dave.
I use the RC-2 for percussion as well. I believe if you try to do a 4 measure overdub on top of a 2 m. loop, m. 3 and 4 will layer over top of the base layer and m. 1 and 2. I think I accidently do this myself if I lose track of bar 1 and extend the overdubs- I'll start hearing the beginning of my current overdub before I finish. -
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Re: Question on the rc-2
Thu, March 20, 2008 - 10:27 PMSame here! I guess that's just the way it is...
Anyone know why in the world the tempo settings are only available for powers of 2? I play alot of sevens and nines, and I feel like Boss is telling me that's not ok :( -
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Re: Question on the rc-2
Fri, March 21, 2008 - 4:23 AMHey Dave,
If I'm not mistaken, the overdubbing in powers of two has to do
with bar numbers and not time signatures.
Even when you play in odd time signatures, one generally still plays
in even bar groupings just because they feel more natural to us.
Your time signature in live looping is whatever you make it be.
Besides, one great trick in playing in 5,7,9 and other odd times, is to either
halve or quarter the time signature (or double or quadruple it, depending on the tempo of the piece).
In this way, you can use all your duple settings to create doubled measures of your time signature.
I hope this makes sense.
Here's the trick though:
5/8 ||: O * O * * | O * O * * :||
If I play every other note in this, I create a sycopated rhtyhm in 5/4 that appears to go ON and OFF the beat
thusly:
5/4 || O * O * * O * O * * :||
Now play a hihat, foot controlled tambourine or footbells on every other note beginning with
the first note.
The count would be 1 + 2 + 3 + 4 + 5 + with the pulse rhythm on every downbeat (or number)
I tried to transcribe this without using a fixed width font (dang, tribe) but it won't print out graphically
so you'll have to do this yourself on a piece of paper.
O = open tones on any drum (or kick drum)
* = slap tones, or teks, or snares
You can also go further an quarter the time signature by playing in 5/16 time (same 5 note riff)
and then play every quarter note with a pulse:
5/4 ||: O * O * * O * O * * O * O * * O * O * * :||
So, play every 4th note, beginning with the first one on a hi hat, tambourine, ankle bells, woodblock, cowbell or what ever.
(the count here would be 1 e + a 2 e + a 3 e + a 4 e + a 5 e + a) with the downbeat played as your 'pulse'
And if you already know all this shit...........please forgive the gratuitous lesson.
In fact, please forgive the gratuitousness of it anyway.
have fun. -
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Re: Question on the rc-2
Fri, March 21, 2008 - 11:54 AMI sort of accidentally stumbled on this idea after I typed the question.
I guess what had me bothered was that the guy at the store told me I could only quantize in 2/4 or 4/4.
Then I realized this: if I can't tap my foot on the one at will, what does that say about me as a drummer? lol
So since then it's been smooth sailing. I am really liking the way my setup sounds with layers of open- and closed- position riq.
-Dave
p.s. I really like the 5/16 riff. I usually don't do fives often, but that might have to change! -
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Re: Question on the rc-2
Mon, March 24, 2008 - 9:35 PMcool................what's also hip is that you can use this kind of thinking for any odd time signature
rhythm you ever play.
One of the things Glen Velez taught me to do 25 years ago was to velcro a couple of different
sounding maraccas into some Teva sandles and to teach myself how to play half and quarter
time pulses while I played a frame drum in the faster odd time signature rhythm.
It creates very cool but really solid sounding odd time rhythms even when you are working with
a more complicated compound odd time rhythm
(and while I'm on the subject, another cool thing to do is to take a normal time signature groove that you
just dearly love and merely subtract or add one subdivision to the beat..........this also makes odd time
signature rhythms that sound more familiar to a typical audience)
lol, this thread is about your rc-2, sorry I got tangential but I just love this subject. -
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Re: Question on the rc-2
Tue, March 25, 2008 - 11:10 PM(and while I'm on the subject, another cool thing to do is to take a normal time signature groove that you
just dearly love and merely subtract or add one subdivision to the beat..........this also makes odd time
signature rhythms that sound more familiar to a typical audience)
That's how I "discovered" odd time signatures, as a matter of fact. This was before I really knew what I was doing, but it was pretty eye-opening.
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