http://livelooping.tribe.net/thread/ecf94f0d-b63a-4622-8eac-bad9d1f3975a?format=rss Tribe.net. Local Connections http://LiveLooping.tribe.net/thread/ecf94f0d-b63a-4622-8eac-bad9d1f3975a#07801a4e-782a-493f-a8c6-730242426adf "For some reason when you push truncate while recording a loop, the first few milliseconds of the loop does not appear audible until the 2nd iteration of the loop. I know of no other looping machine that does this and am somewhat mystified why they left this flaw in the software. However, I found that If I was playing a repeating pattern that I could just truncate the loop on the downbeat but keep physically playing the first note or two of the next bar and it would sound flawless. . " -hey Rick, thanks for pointing this out about the Boss RC-50. i have an RC-20 and and have been thinking that my sense of rhythm must just totally suck because if i try to lay down a riff or chord progression the spot where the loop begins and ends is always rhythmicly off. and using the "beat guide" mode is even more confusing. i got this thing for two reasons one was to make layers of crazy noise which i have been doing and love this pedal for, but the second is for laying down progressions so i can work on riffs and vocals over when i have an idea for a song and i just cant get the timing right on when to engage and disengage this thi for the loop to begin and end on the beat....arrrgh!!! Tue, 26 Dec 2006 22:15:47 GMT http://LiveLooping.tribe.net/thread/ecf94f0d-b63a-4622-8eac-bad9d1f3975a#07801a4e-782a-493f-a8c6-730242426adf Theotch son of Beotch 2006-12-26T22:15:47Z http://LiveLooping.tribe.net/thread/ecf94f0d-b63a-4622-8eac-bad9d1f3975a#d967c97f-b3c8-4ea6-8691-10039a53cc15 I was looking into the 2880, but it didn't seem to fit the bill for me. There's an earlier thread where someone reports their largely negative experience with the box, although it's important to keep in mind that sometimes one or two design aspects may make something completely unusable for one person and be the greatest thing ever for another: http://livelooping.tribe.net/thread/96dc3e34-2c4d-404c-a21c-1ac401d7167c Tue, 12 Dec 2006 15:52:41 GMT http://LiveLooping.tribe.net/thread/ecf94f0d-b63a-4622-8eac-bad9d1f3975a#d967c97f-b3c8-4ea6-8691-10039a53cc15 Travis 2006-12-12T15:52:41Z http://LiveLooping.tribe.net/thread/ecf94f0d-b63a-4622-8eac-bad9d1f3975a#9ddea946-7939-4446-a9bd-aae1f9e78f0f I also have to add that I've been using an EDP for a little over 4 years and feel like I haven't even begun to scratch what it's capable of. I have a lot of cool things I do with it, but I feel like a baby compared to the people I'll mention next. In fact, most people I see who use these elegant and sophisticated loopers only use a few of the dozens of techniques that it can use. Andy Butler (from England) is a master of the instrument, imho, and I've learned a lot from watching him play. He's the only person I know who is a multi-instrumentalist (like myself) in his use of the instrument, though I've mostly seen him play guitar through it. Andre LaFosse is another really impressive user (in L.A.) and he has a wonderful website with a lot of explanations of ways he uses the instrument. He was my first inspiration for learning how to use it and the work he did originally (though he doesn't even use the technique any more as far as I know) with triggering multiple loops with a drum machine (using the drum pads as manual triggers for the individual loops). Claude Voit in Switzerland is another very impressive user and we would be remiss if we didn't mention the original inventor of the instrument (though much has been added to in later software additions by the aforementioned loopers and several others), Matthias Grob (who is Swiss originally but now lives in Brazil) What's beautiful about the machine is that the music of Andre LaFosse, Andy Butler, Claude Voit and Matthias Grob are all as different as you could possibly be, stylistically speaking. It's just one of the coolest things ever invented, quite frankly. You'd be well advised to pick one up. Tue, 12 Dec 2006 15:20:19 GMT http://LiveLooping.tribe.net/thread/ecf94f0d-b63a-4622-8eac-bad9d1f3975a#9ddea946-7939-4446-a9bd-aae1f9e78f0f Rick 2006-12-12T15:20:19Z http://LiveLooping.tribe.net/thread/ecf94f0d-b63a-4622-8eac-bad9d1f3975a#9102e0f3-1278-40ab-af58-8f4ca38822fe The edp's my main, and usually only, looper. As has been mentioned here, you can only run the loops one at a time. That doesn't mean it's incapable of creating complex multitrack arrangements though, as you can seemlessly copy from one loop to another while overdubbing. Say you want to set up a rhythm, then want to overdub a longer melody, in that case the edp is easily the easiest looper to do that with, you don't even have to know how many bars the melody is. Really, though, it's impossible to advise you without knowing your requirements. There isn't a "best buy" looper, or an obvious upgrade path to follow. If you say what you want to achieve ( that you can't do with your current device) then there'll be plenty of good advice here, and at www.loopers-delight.com Tue, 12 Dec 2006 12:26:41 GMT http://LiveLooping.tribe.net/thread/ecf94f0d-b63a-4622-8eac-bad9d1f3975a#9102e0f3-1278-40ab-af58-8f4ca38822fe andy 2006-12-12T12:26:41Z http://LiveLooping.tribe.net/thread/ecf94f0d-b63a-4622-8eac-bad9d1f3975a#7de77e3c-f34f-4144-9816-a0322566377b my bad, I completely forgot the RC-50 and I don't really know the Electro Harmonix model? Can you give it a good review, Travis? About the RC-50, a student of mine has one so I've had the chance to hang out with it a lot. It's pretty cool (has three simultaneously and independently controllable loops) but it has one irritating drawback for my tastes. For somereason when you push truncate while recording a loop, the first few milliseconds of the loop does not appear audible until the 2nd iteration of the loop. I know of no other looping machine that does this and am somewhat mystified why they left this flaw in the software. However, I found that If I was playing a repeating pattern that I could just truncate the loop on the downbeat but keep physically playing the first note or two of the next bar and it would sound flawless. I even have wondered if they did this on purpose because it obscures that moment when you realize that the thing you've just been playing has been looped. In an acoustic situation, the audience can here the acoustic instrument and there is a bit of a timbral 'drop' when you stop playing as you truncate your loop. When you play one note over the bar line (while truncating on the downbeat of the second loop) it does obscure this timbral 'drop' a bit. Do you use one Travis? What are your thoughts on this phenomena? yours, Rick Tue, 12 Dec 2006 05:36:47 GMT http://LiveLooping.tribe.net/thread/ecf94f0d-b63a-4622-8eac-bad9d1f3975a#7de77e3c-f34f-4144-9816-a0322566377b Rick 2006-12-12T05:36:47Z http://LiveLooping.tribe.net/thread/ecf94f0d-b63a-4622-8eac-bad9d1f3975a#1d629d68-a049-45a4-81ad-d4d858fdff6f For hardware loopers that support multiple simultaneous loops you'd also have to include the Boss RC-50 and the EH 2480. Tue, 12 Dec 2006 01:13:51 GMT http://LiveLooping.tribe.net/thread/ecf94f0d-b63a-4622-8eac-bad9d1f3975a#1d629d68-a049-45a4-81ad-d4d858fdff6f Travis 2006-12-12T01:13:51Z http://LiveLooping.tribe.net/thread/ecf94f0d-b63a-4622-8eac-bad9d1f3975a#b52cd1e4-18ab-4fc3-a57b-56ba584933d4 You were misinformed, Moons, I love the EDP but it has the capability of playing 16 loops but only sequentially. It does not have multi-loop capacity. So, far, the EDP is the most sophisticated hardware looper at slicing and dicing and manipulating the loop. The software is amazing in this unit and I wouldn't dream of doing an experimental show without it. That being said and done, it has an archaic processor (apple 2C), is only mono and doesn't allow simultaneous loops (unless you run two of them or are performing with another musician who has one). It also has a beautiful proprietary sycing system (as well as a midi sync to) that allows to units to sync up. It's called Brother Sync and will allow kinds of syncing that are more sophisticated than midi. Additionally, you can use midi sync programs to automate the switcing between loops. Andre LaFosse is one of the gods of this technique (also joined by the wonderful Swiss looper, Claude Voit). If you want multiple loops in a hardware box, there are only two options: the Electrix Repeater which is out of print but shows up on E-bay occasionally and the new Looperlative which has an amazing 8 full stereo tracks (16 in mono if you route it correctly to a mixer) which you can either syncrhonize internally or not> You have the ability to run synchronous loops at the same time that you have asynchronous loops and there are tons of options for using group fades and other group functioning including some retuning of the samples. The retuning, however, does not have the stretching algorithms of programs like ACID and Ableton's Live (the Repeater does do this and quite elegantly). Additionally, there is an ether net port on the back of the unit that allows you to instantaneously download software revisions which are free for the life of the unit. Bob Amstadt is continually creating new software at the behest of the community of Looperlative owners. This means every owner is, ostensibly, a member of the R&D team. If a software idea has enough demand amongst owners, Bob will write it in and , VOILA you'll have it in your machine. I don't think any hardware device has ever had this amazing ability to upgrade so quickly. Additionally, you can either load loops from a computer or store loops on a computer. The unit has a whopping 500 mgz processor dedicated only to running the unit. They are fantastic but the price is about $500 more than an ECHOPLEX. I, myself, use the Repeater for tuning lops, the EDP for slicing and dicing and the Looperlative for multi track looping and synchronization. I'll be at the January NAMM show demonstrating the Looperlative with my brother, Bill Walker and british bassist, Steve Lawson (all very experienced multi track looping artists) if you get down to the show. Additionally, I live in Santa Cruz, if you ever want a demonstration of the unit. Sun, 10 Dec 2006 23:30:00 GMT http://LiveLooping.tribe.net/thread/ecf94f0d-b63a-4622-8eac-bad9d1f3975a#b52cd1e4-18ab-4fc3-a57b-56ba584933d4 Rick 2006-12-10T23:30:00Z http://LiveLooping.tribe.net/thread/ecf94f0d-b63a-4622-8eac-bad9d1f3975a#3cc76b98-971d-436a-81dd-733b4c48dbfe I've been considering upgrading my loopstation. Does anyone have any critiques/advice as far as the Echoplex's capabilities? From what I've read, you can get 15 loops simeltaneously, undo and edit them individually, and use delay and other effects. I'm curious about inputs - xlr, 1/4 inch, midi, etc. Can they each be inputted and phrased to create loops? And can all this be controlled by the footpedals? Does anyone use this as their main live-looping hardware? Sun, 10 Dec 2006 19:38:26 GMT http://LiveLooping.tribe.net/thread/ecf94f0d-b63a-4622-8eac-bad9d1f3975a#3cc76b98-971d-436a-81dd-733b4c48dbfe Moons** 2006-12-10T19:38:26Z